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Meet new member syem from Switzerland. He likes play incta CTF. Welcome syem!

MacMax finished playing Sauerbraten. Good luck, MacMax.

BeMyLover, ceyt, routman and Sitalov were excluded.

|RB|Honzik1

I do not like the behavior of man who does not respect the strict rules. I thought that the PSL is a competition where is mainly fun but now I do not think so. Almost everyone can see how anyone can accuse another because of cheating without the evidence needed. We published only in an embarrassing video where you can see only experienced game of player. But this suggests that the admin does not act lawfully against others and gives the impression that it all might think. And one month ago FK stop playing too, because there were no chance to change Shmutz wrong decision. From that moment I began to think that the PSL I will stop playing. I do not want to be the next target for admin charges. If you saw the game Majikal vs Drakas map campo, you could see that the admin has ordered replay game just because Drakas didnt know a map well and could not find an opponent. But no rule not allow to use this tactic. Look at this screenshot.

Finally, we were charged as well. I didn't play the qualifications just because I occupied the first four places. I played just to increase the qualification chances for the win one of our players. On the PSL official site you can see completely distorted information. Shmutz says that I deliberately stopped playing when the score was 23-11 but that is a big lie. When you look at the demo of the game, you'll see that I stopped playing about 20 seconds before the end of game. At this time I had difference about 5 frags. Shmutz written as the final score 24-23 but that is lie. I began to think that Shmutz is most of his time drunk. Each of us saw that admins finally started the game on face-capture map but they wrote the wrong name of the map (face_capture) and it took them about 10 minutes before the game really began. Shmutzwurst told me that I will be banned from all games next qualification and I can’t change his decision. About 3 days after qualification he said that he will change his decision about punishment. Here you can see that Shmutz is really a serious man. (Irony). RB team broke no rules and that is paramount. Shmutz "live decisions" are just for laugh. His "live decisions" make game not serious. "Live decisions" mean that admin can do everything what does he wants. If Shmutz is so lazy and he cannot write this rule "When it becomes clear that the player deliberately lost game and help second player to win, both players will be punished". It's his fault. But this rule has no sence. In many sports you are not punished if you give up game. For these reasons I will not play PSL anymore. This is my personal opinion and I am not alone who thinks so (not only RB players).

}JG{BeatZ

If anything happens what they don't want to happen and they don't have any rule which forbids it they have to add the rule and to punish next time. www.4pfel.net/jg (they will publish soon (few days) officialy)

sp4nk|Thomas

Banning is a bit too much, but he's right, it's not good to let other clanmates win.

|RB|deGrave

We were training many times, the win on douze depends on lucky. We fair pass to qualification so on.

/pCc/sospiro

In my opinion (good or not) sauerbraten is a game, I play it just for fun and my goal isn't be the best player but only fun. I play in a clan to have fun. After the clan is a team, and sauerbraten become a team-game.... then it needs teamwork. The act of let a player win (in the same team or no) in my opinion isn't ot be classified as illegal gaming because if in a football game let the opponent player win no one can say something against the team.... maybe someone can say is stupid ma no one can say it is illegal... they didn't do nothing illegal... by the way the opponent team in this case is a teammate of the player then it is a teamwork (always in my opinion) not illegal... honzik preferred pass the insta qualification than the ffa qualification, I think is the same as if he left the game. Secondly, no rule of PSL say it isn't possible then no one can say it's illegal.

In my opinion the act of let the teammate win can be considerate a bit stupid by someone but is true that happend in the sport too but the disqualification I think is a bit excesive in my opinion, cause is the first time, they didn't know was wrong for psl do it and they didn't know was wrong for psl and they were in the same team.

{QS}PunDit

In my opinion if it is something that is not in the rules and they disagree there should be no punishment and the rules should be immediately changed.

{QS}mos (about Shmutz's decision in Drakas vs Majikal game)

This is very good reminders why I don't play PSL. Thank you all.

|RB|Mewel

In my opinion if it is something that is not in the rules and they disagree there should be no punishment and the rules should be immediately changed.

Honzik1 and DeGrave were disqualified in FFA semifinal. RB suppose that shmutz’s decision wasn't based on rules. Different people have different opinions about contractual games between the same clan members. I, UTaker, think it’s normal. Shmutz desagrees. Somebody else has different position. How can we organize a tournament and take a part in it if everyone has own ideas how to rule? There is a decision – public rules of tounament. Everyone who wants to play in league must accept the rules. We accepted it and we took a part. And got disqualification by arbitrary ruling since not rule about this situation.

There was similar (but not the same) situation when w00p members were playing. They acted less obviously then RBers. Shmutz’s decision was in favor of a replay. PSL FAQ: “After the games we usually talk about it [controversial situation] and consider to make a rule for the future games. Sometimes this is a solution, sometimes it is not”. No new rule had been added. Shmutz made a voluntary decision. We do not accept this approach. PSL is Shmutz's toy, he does what he want. If so, then no place for us there.

Finally Shmutz let himself write stupid, inappropriate and insulting statement about Russians.

RB had meeting. Members were voting: to play in PSL or not. The majority (most of them are Russians outraged by Shmutz’s statement) voted to quit PSL. Shmutz’s decision is not the only thing that we do not like. PSL games itself, with their format, duration and time, are no fun anymore. We prefer friendly games with any clans.

The reason is "unsportsmanlike behavior". Our comment & decision will be published this Sunday.

The Red Butchers is celebrating clan foundation 2nd anniversary. Congratulations to all members!

Everything just started!

PSL qualification games took place yesterday.

We had both great and inglorious games. Honzik1 successfully qualified to both individual finals without problems. Great job Honzik1! Then we won common capture game in a hot battle. In the 1st round we didn't have problems vs WS team, but in the 2nd round we pipped to the post the TNT team. GG TNT! Next games were CTF. Easy (team ffa and 1st round) games...And tough defeat by w00p. We failed to execute our tactics in that game. w00ps played very well and shot perfectly. Last mode -- iCTF. We won common team insta game but lost the 1st round. TNT got their revenge -- they scored the only and victorious flag in the last minute. Agrh!

Final pairs:

• FFA: Majikal vs Honzik1
• Insta: Honzik1 vs Finn
• Capture: TC vs RB
• CTF: TC vs w00p
• Insta CTF: TC vs w00p

Details, screens & demos are there.

A refresher course has been finished!

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Hi, you know me as Honzik1.

I have played cube 1 and 2 since 5 years with short breaks. In this time, I met only few cheaters in this game. But in the near past, I saw more and more people who called very good players as cheaters. About 6 months ago we were solving this way with Solax. And of course he did not cheat, but a lot of players thought he did. I can not understand the reasons why everybody call good players a cheaters. But probably he is envied by his skills. And this all looks very noobish and unsportsmanlike.

Now the community found a new target called Asylum. He is not very popular at other clans, because of his too fast growing up skills. But in fact, he played professionally quake styled games before, so his skills is on top with sauer today. Shmutz and others made videos which could prove his cheating. It is interesting that they did everything around cheating after FK won against TC in iCTF and Asylum against tenshi from the w00p-clan.

Shmutzwurst penalised Asylum and the FK clan without any democratic voting of other players. Shmutzwurst banned Asylum from PSL for 1 year but in fact he say: "Asylum is completely banned from any (!) PSL games for one year until the qualification games in December 2010!" It seems the year has 14 months for Shmutzwurst. His first words was "This decision will not be changed by us!" That sounds he is a avowed communist of Russia, where no democratic discussion is possible. His next statement: "We simply do not have the time!" But he spend a lot of time for his research for finding nothing in Asylum style of playing. He just want not to change his undemocratic opinion about Asylum.

Now I will explain that Shmutzwurst "proofs" of cheating are just a very clever and advanced style of a player. First, we should know that very advanced players knows each spawnplace for each map. That is very important because it should look for not skilled players that he do some unbelievable things in his playing.

In the first video you can see all spawn places of the map. So you see, Asylum use simple logic. He checks all spawn places and he phases out checked ones. Sometimes good player make a fault by checking a spawn place because of a enemy respawn-delay. At the second and third video you see that Shmutzwurst embezzled important details as low resolution and bad frame per seconds (fps).

Now I ask you: Do you think Shmutzwurst is a trustful man when he do something like this? What should I think about other videos of him now? That is not very trustful for me! At the fourth video you should think Shmutzwurst is not a good player, because it is mysterious player skill for him. But that is advanced playing of a average player in a duel.

At the fifth video you see Asylum fails his shot, because he doesn't know where his enemy is exactly. But he checked all dangerous points before.

At the sixth video you see Asylum has a lucky shot in this moment, because he doesn't check the spawn points. The enemy spawns at the spawn place 4 where he predicts it. It is a chance of 2:1, because he checks 6 of 8 spawn points. It should seem like he aims at the enemy behind the wall. That happens many times and where every player do this, he should be banned! Then everybody in cube2 has to be banned! You see a shot delay in the last seconds of the video. When he would see him through the wall, he could shoot immediately.

I would like to say, that this all is a sad story of inexperienced people who want to bully any players from the community. I hope some of your open his or her eyes and think about this. Then make your own (!) opinion about Asylum. I hope, I opened your eyes. I Played with him a lot of games and other players too. Everything was OK and it did many fun. I think if somebody uses any cheats, it will not make fun for long time. Asylum trains 2 hours per day for being better and it responses in his really great skills. I hope, somebody of your will talk with the PSL admins, because PSL is our great part of fun in the cube2 community and the FK players are a part of it too!

Thanks for your time!

Honzik1

Full quality videos:

1. wallhack1.avi
2. wallhack2.avi
3. wallhack3.avi
4. wallhack4.avi
5. wallhack5.avi
6. wallhack6.avi

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Related link: Asylum banned for one year, FK has to replay the iCTF title match.

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